Monday, December 22, 2008

Pakatan and Hudud

Pas vice president,Husam Musa, was took to task by Dap Lim Kit Siang for reiterating Pas' plan to implement Islamic hudud laws should they succeed taking over the federal government.

Hudud refers to the punishments that are fixed for certain offences including theft, robbery, illicit sex, alcohol consumption and apostasy. Punishment for these offences are corporal in nature, involving whipping, stoning to death and amputation of limbs. What you say?

33 comments:

  1. Husam Musa a "forced" statement and it should be understood. Curry Jamaluddin (KJ) taunted Husam that they were a bunch of hypocrites who raised Hudud laws only during elections and that if that wasn't true, then Husam should state otherwise. As you can see, Husam was forced to explain something and also respond to KJ, and it was here that he said PAS was committed to the Hudud laws and they were not using them as political tools. It was made within that context. It was here that BerUMNO...oops, bernama twisted the statement. Mind you, KJ too said UMNO will implement the Hudud but berUMNO chose to highlight Husam's words. Hope you get it. Otherwise, what the majority want is what will work and we know what that means. Have less worries and don't fall for BN's traps.

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  2. Do you know a story ?
    Long times ago,a man walked across a jungle,a woman was crying under a tree. He asked the woman "What happened with you?" She said "My relative killed by Tiger." The man said "Why your family stayed in jungle? She said "We knew the Tiger,but the administration was more serious than the Tiger"

    Some people worry Hudud laws but they still support PAS,because some people can get benefits and some people want to stay with Tiger with other reasons.

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  3. If one is a law abiding Malaysian, no worries are needet. Only the others have to worry! Start Hudud law on top of the pile and work your way down, one will have to work hard on top but less work below. Vote for PAS to get rid of Umno BN and do not fall for Umno money or tricks!

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  4. Husam has already clarified his statement. Get it in Lim Kit Siang's blog and bernama.

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  5. TO Muslim,
    Do u affraid of Hudud Law? WHy affraid???
    To Non_muslim,
    Why u so sacastic about Hudud Law??? Any effect to you???

    SAPP why you so "K PO" about this ?

    Siau !!!!

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  6. Implementing hudud laws does not go well with human rights.

    Its punishments are too cruel. Can't you see it?

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  7. Why are we so afraid of "HUDUD" but not afraid of other captal punishment?Stop being hyprocritical and let the thief running around smiling like the smile of YTL too.If we implement HUDUD, we know those with 1 hand left is a thief or with their hand inside their pocket most of the tim is a thief.That will include all BN leaders including YTL, ajintidakgagah, raman dalan,musa aman (both hands) ecetera

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  8. Raja Petra of MT has analysed it's not possible for Hudud Law to be passed by Parliament even when PR takes over the government as it needs the approval of the majority of MPs in Parliamnet. Pas only has 23 MPs out of the 60 seats contested in Mar 08.

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  10. What is the point of bashing of YTL ? YTL is not SAPP. YTL has not been a YB for many years yet SAPP is still moving forward. Let his constituency voters decide his status. No one appreciates this kind of bashing here.

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  11. Hudud kah, Sivilkah... tidak akan membawa apa-apa perbezaan jika pengamalnya dipengaruhi oleh kuasa luar! Yang penting undang-undang itu dilaksanakan dengan adil dan profesional...

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  12. Hudud Law good bah! I can see more umno monkey walking on the street without hands or legs or lanjau.

    Hudud does not apply to non muslim but GOOD FOR MUSLIM HYPOCRITE like the evil umno!

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  13. It is not just about muslim and non-muslims. This is about the image of Malaysia in this modern era.

    Can you imagine watching a woman/man being stoned to death in the middle of the street?

    Men or women without hands or limps walking in the streets...sounds like a zombie movie.

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  14. WE RESPECT ALL LAWS BE IT CIVIL OR HUDUD. HOWEVER WHAT WE ARE WORRIED OF IS MISTRIAL WHERE JUDGEMENT ARE WRONGLY HANDED DOWN. EXAMPLE OF WRONG JUDGEMENT IS THE SODOMY 1 EPISODE OF DATO SERI ANWAR IBRAHIM (MY IDOL). THE JUDGEMENT WAS REVERSED 6 YEARS LATER THROUGH THE APPEAL COURT. WHAT HAPPEN IF HUDED LAW WAS APPLIED HERE? IT WILL BE TOO LATE. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS WHERE A THIEF WAS WRONGLY PROSECUTED OR FRAAMED AND HE LOST A LIMB THROUGH HUDUD. LATER IT WAS REVEALED THAT HE WAS FRAMED. IT WILL BE TOO LATE BECAUSE HE CANT GROW AN ARM BACK. IF THE EXECUTIVE COULD GUARANTEE CORRECT JUDGEMENT AT ALL TIME, THEN WE CAN ACCEPT HUDUD. HOWEVER AS WE ALL KNOW, HUMAN IS NOT GOD AND ALL HUMAN MAKE MISTAKE.

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  15. You are absolute correct! mistrial or misjudgement lead to irreversible remedy.

    Do hudud laws have right to appeal like the courts?

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  16. I would suggest to the government.

    Have a referendum - the democratic way and get the muslims to vote whether to accept or reject hudud laws.

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  17. Hudud,ISA,ACA are all OK ! But the problem in this country is they are used only as a tool to put fear on those who dont prescribe to the one in power instead of on the real culprits.

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  18. Non Muslims should not fall into this fear tactics anymore. We should not be fearful of a certain group of people branded with their ideology. We should look at the individual person. Look at Nik Aziz, he seems to walk the talk. First,we have to find out how he treats his people including Non Muslims and his individual characters . Who do you trust more ? Nik Aziz, Abdullah, Najib, Musa ?

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  19. Nik Aziz seems ok to me, but we fear are the other pas leaders who could be extremists and that will spoil the whole thing.

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  20. UMNO takut HUDUD !!! guntalow !!

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  21. 'There are limitations to our patience'

    Karpal also today said time has come for DAP to tell PAS that there is a limit to what they can do and there is a limit to their (DAPs) political patience.

    "I have repeated a number of times that the five-men bench (Supreme Court) in 1988, then headed by Lord President Salleh Abas had delivered judgement which heard that Malaysia is a secular state, not an Islamic state.

    "So PAS cannot defy the constitution and the judicial pronouncement by the highest court of the land," said Karpal.

    When asked whether the controversy would affect the votes of non-Muslims in the by-election, Karpal said, "Since Husam had retracted his statement, we go back to square one.

    "What was done is an exercise in futility. I think this is certainly an attempt to break the values of Pakatan but I hope they would be more careful in future."

    Karpal also reiterated that Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim must break his silence on the issue.

    "He (Anwar) cannot afford to keep quiet. This is a very fundamental issue and PAS has been harping on it for a long long time."

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  22. Husam Musa can say what he likes. It's his own view or at most that of PAS. The tripartile PR coalition must agree if it's to become its common stand, and agreed by 2/3 of the parliament votes to get the constitution amended. The DAP is pretty steadfast against the implementation of HUDUD LAW in Malaysia. Do you really think it's possible under the current tripartite PR arrangement to adopt the Hudud Law? Please do not fall into the trap of Umno dominated BN propaganda as the KK Parliamentary Bye-election is near.

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  23. I really support HUDUD even my education background is from secular university. For me, only criminal will afraid n for non criminal, nothing will happen. This is the only way to punish rappist, killer and robbers down there. One more thing, HUDUD is for muslim only, not relevant for non muslim. And for image, are you prefer the criminals escape from punishment and walk with smiley face while your so call good image is preserved??? Please be rational.

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  24. Hudud only apply to the muslim. The non-muslim should not be worried.

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  25. KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 30 — Pas's indecisiveness in selecting a candidate, and the clear split with its secular partners in the Pakatan Rakyat alliance, is putting a crimp in its campaign for the crucial Kuala Terengganu by-election.

    In contrasting style, Barisan Nasional's campaign machinery appears to be in full swing, with the early announcement of its candidate Datuk Wan Ahmad Farid Wan Salleh, who has for the past two weeks been on the stump without a rival.

    While BN used the campaign recently to announce the federal government's oil royalty payout to the state, Pas stumbled badly when its stand on hudud, which prescribes stoning, whipping and amputation as punishment for criminal offences, saw the party argue openly with its Pakatan Rakyat partners.

    The DAP has publicly declared that it would continue to defend the secular character of the country, while Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim's continued silence over the issue is also hurting PR.

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  26. I hope for Malaysia that everyone can see the bigger picture and not fall for HUDUD bec. this law cannot become a reality in Malaysia if the rakyat is not voting for it, but would it be so bad to have a fair law who gets the bad ppl? Who has to fear the law???? Only the law breaker!

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  28. Hudud refers to the punishments that are fixed for certain offences including theft, robbery, illicit sex, alcohol consumption and apostasy. Punishment for these offences are corporal in nature, involving whipping, stoning to death and amputation of limbs. What you say?
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    I say there should be total separation of state and religion.

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  29. Please keep your religion at home. Thailand with more than 95% buddhist doesn't mean they need to implement buddhist law to their citizen instead of civil law.

    You bunch of muslim hypocrite please get lost from Malaysia and we don't want to see our nation become another taliban state.

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  30. Kalau ada hukum hudud maka aman damai lah MUNGKIN negara kita. Dan saya amat bersetuju hukum hudud ini dijalankan KHAS untuk orang muslim (Jangan libatkan Non-muslim!). Maka yang berzina akan kita lihat dilontar batu sehingga mati, yang mencuri akan kita lihat dipotong jari atau tangan.

    Adakah rasuah termasuk alam kategori mencuri? Sekiranya demikian, maka Hudud ini bagus untuk pemimpin-pemimpin UMNO dan YB2 di Sabah ni. Biarkan tangan mereka dipotong. Percayakah bahawa sebahagian besar pemimpin UMNO itu mempunya hubungan sulit dengan perempuan lain? Lontar batu! yeahhh... Percayakah bahawa 100% pemimpin BN ada ambil rasuah? Yeahhhh potong tangannnnn!!!!

    yes yes yes.. jalankan hukum hudud.

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  31. Christianity is full of love. When a woman was found committing adultery, Jesus did not sentence her with any punnishments even the Jewish wanted to stone her to death.

    All I can say is your religion has no love at all. Our God is a God of love. Let God Himself do the punnishment. You judge and God will judge you.

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  32. No room for hudud in secular M'sia, PAS and Anwar told
    Fauwaz Abdul Aziz | Jan 14, 09 2:50pm
    DAP stalwart Karpal Singh has once again reminded Anwar Ibrahim and PAS that there is no room for an Islamic agenda in secular Malaysia.

    MCPXIn view of this, he urged the opposition leader and Islamic party to drop the Islamic state agenda and the intention of implementing hudud laws.

    Karpal said the Islamic state vision runs counter to the federal constitution's secular vision of Malaysia.

    Both these visions, he stressed, cannot be reconciled.

    "I call upon PAS and Anwar to respect the federal constitution. In fact, I'm surprised at Anwar's ambivalent stand on this," the Bukit Gelugor MP told reporters after submitting a letter to Yang Dipertuan Agong Mizan Zainal Abidin on the matter of Chief Justice Zaki Azmi.


    "PAS has been quite consistent on their stand right from the beginning. But I didn't expect Anwar to say that PKR is also for hudud even though it's limited to Muslims alone," he said.

    Karpal also called for PAS to consult with one of its own leading members - former Lord President Salleh Abas - who had delivered a judgment earlier declaring Malaysia to be a secular state with secular laws.


    "PAS should, in fact, have a word with Salleh Abas and have him explain to them what he did together with four other judges at the Supreme Court which, at that time, was the supreme court of the land.

    "That judgment is still there, it has not been overruled, and PAS must respect it. It must be respected by everyone," he added.

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  33. napa mau mara2 sni? benda sudah jadi. terima sja la. tue la. bila kena suruh undi btul2 dlu,main antam sja. ah. skarg mengantam la benda yg jadi.

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